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OWT Newsletter #10 - Straight from Yahoo's Mouth

May 5, 2004

In This Issue:

1. Straight from Yahoo's Mouth
2. In the News - Google's IPO
3. More News Headlines
4. This Week's Q&A - New site in and out of Google
5. Wrapping It Up

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Straight from Yahoo's Mouth

When it comes to optimizing web pages for search engines, there are a few basic things we've discussed that apply no matter what search engine you're talking about. Quality pages with keyword-rich content that have relevant incoming links with good anchor text should rank well in just about any good search engine these days. Those are all big-picture ideas that the likes of Google, Yahoo, etc., all adhere to at some level -- some, admittedly, more than others.

But what about the little details, like meta tags and keywords, and things like that? Wouldn't you love to be able to ask someone at Google or Yahoo how, specifically, their search engine looks at those little things? Well, you can't do the asking, but well-known search engine marketer Mike Grehan recently did it for you. He interviewed Jon Glick, Yahoo!'s Senior Manager for Web Search, for the e-marketing-news web site and got the scoop about a number of things you should find interesting.

About the future of personalized search: "The issue of: 'I'm number one for this keyword'... may not exist at all in a few years. You know, you'll be number one for that keyword depending on who types it in! And from where and on what day."

About the meta "Description" tag: "We index the meta description tag. It counts similar to body text. It's also a good fallback for us if there's no text on the page for us to lift an abstract to show to users."

About the meta "Keywords" tag: "Originally it was a good idea. To me it's a great idea which unfortunately went wrong because its so heavily spammed. It's like, the people who knew how to use it, also knew how to abuse it! What we use it for right now is... I'd explain it as match and not rank. Let me give a better description of what that really means."

And he does go on to give a better description, going so far as to explain how best to separate keywords with commas, etc. The interview also discusses the <TITLE> element of a web page and all kinds of other great information about how Yahoo analyzes a web page. Great, great stuff.

I hear you saying ... "Hold on, Matt. I thought the Keywords tag was dead." Well, yes, it was. And that's even mentioned in the interview, too. But Yahoo has decided it's not dead, and the word in webmaster circles is that other search engines continue to at least look at the Keywords tag, although how much they're using it is up for debate. Yahoo even encourages use of the Keywords tag in its Search Help documents, on a page answering "How do I improve the ranking of my web site in the search results?"

I think that's enough talk about this great interview. You probably want to read it. Here are the links.

Mike Grehan in conversation with Jon Glick

E-Marketing News home page

Yahoo Help: "How do I improve the ranking of my web site in the search results?"

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In The News

About the only thing "in the news" lately is Google's S-1 filing with the SEC. They're going public. There have been countless articles and commentaries about the decision posted on news sites across the web. Some of the best ones we've found are posted in the News section of owtweb.com, so check there if you haven't already. Here are some additional, related links:

The actual S-1 filing

Part of the filing is an "open letter" to potential investors from Google's co-founders, Larry Page and Sergey Brin. It makes for interesting reading. I'm no stock market expert, but I admire this much: They're trying to go about it their way, setting their terms, and saying that if you don't want to go along, you won't be taking part. Google's plan of attack is to do an IPO that limits the amount of money the banks and their institutional investors makes, that keeps the most money inside Google and with its employees, that focuses on long-term success instead of short-term goals, and that creates a two classes of stock so that the guys who run Google now are shielded as much as possible from outside interference. You can read their "open letter" at the S-1 link above, or read it at Newsday's web site:

Text of Open Letter from Google's Founders

Two other quick bits of news:

1.) Google Local (which we discussed back in Newsletter #4) is now, as expected, showing targeted advertising in the search results. Go to Google Local and and do a search for "italian restaurants, 99352" and you'll see sponsored links at the top in a pastel-colored bar.

2.) Google has added two new pages to the "All About Google" section of its web site. The Technology Overview page provides a big picture look at how Google search works, including an ultra-simplified explanation of PageRank. And in the last sentence there's a link to another new page that shows in pictures the different steps that take place when you do a search on Google.

Google Technology Overview

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More News Headlines

Here are a few news headlines worth your time to read. These are just some of the headlines we've posted to OWTweb.com in recent days.

Google's hard bargain
May 03, 2004 - News.com

While it remains to be seen whether Google's iconoclastic leaders can adhere to their mission of running a public company, the sheer strength of their business has already proven to be the ultimate bargaining chip.

Google IPO sets stage for Web search war
April 29, 2004 - Reuters

The question is whether Google can challenge the financial clout of its larger peers. Yahoo had $1.6 billion in revenue and Microsoft had $32.2 billion in revenue in its latest fiscal year.

The book on Amazon.com's A9 search engine
April 26, 2004 - Traffick.com

Despite the horror of brown links, I decided to press on and put A9 through its paces, paying close attention to the much-ballyhooed personalization features. And you know what? I like A9, I really, really do.

Placing in top three pages of results key to search marketing success
April 22, 2004 - Internet Retailer

More than 80% of Internet users don’t look beyond the first three pages of search results, underscoring the importance of placing high in searches.

More headlines: http://www.owtweb.com/news/

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This Week's Q&A

Hi Matt,

We recently launched a brand new web site and we think Google has listed it, but when we check it seems that the site is listed in Google one day and a couple days later it's gone. Did we do something wrong? It just disappears and then shows up again in Google's database.

Oscar

Hi Oscar -- You didn't do anything wrong. This is quite normal with Google, and it happens to just about every new web site I can remember working on myself over the past year or more.

Google actually has several databases that it uses to serve up search results. These databases are spread across several data centers around the world to help keep the system as quick as it is. When the load on Google's system gets heavy, you might see results from a different database. (This is also why you can do the same search a couple minutes apart and get different results, or why two people in different locations can do the same search at the exact same time and get different results.)

So what happens with new sites is that they get added into one of the databases -- but not all of the databases. Over the course of days, weeks, even months, the data starts to spread and get shared across all of Google's databases until it's fully indexed. While this is happening, you can do a search one day and see your site listed, but a day or three later the same search will leave your site out. Just be patient. This can go on for 6-8 weeks or more until a new site propagates throughout Google's index.

(Have a question? Email questions@owtweb.com)

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Wrapping it Up

You may have noticed a couple small changes in the format of this week's newsletter. The email subject is now more descriptive than it used to be. Rather than a subject that reads "OWT Newsletter, May 5, 2004", I'm going to replace the date (which is redundant since your email software already lists the date you got it) with something that describes a key aspect of the newsletter's content. The thinking is that you might actually want to save some of these newsletters (hint, hint -- this one with the Yahoo interview link would be worth saving!) and three months from now it'll be easier to locate the saved newsletter if you see something about the content right in the email Subject line.

And the second change actually began with the last newsletter. Up at the top in the Table of Contents I'm also adding some more descriptive elements next to the name of each section. This way, when you're looking at saved newsletters, you can quickly learn more about the content of each section without needing to scroll all the way through the whole email.

Hopefully you'll find these little changes will make the newsletters a bit more user-friendly.

See you next week!

Thanks for reading,
Matt McGee

 

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