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OWT Newsletter #37 - More SEO Teachings from Yahoo

December 9, 2004

In This Issue:

1. More SEO Teachings from Yahoo
2. In the News - Google Domains, Yahoo at Home
3. More News Headlines
4. This Week's Q&A - Using competitor names in keywords
5. Wrapping It Up

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More SEO Teachings from Yahoo

Last week we talked in this space about a handful of excellent PowerPoint presentations related to web development and SEO that Yahoo made available for anyone to read. They're at it again this week with still more good information about the same issues. This time it's in the form of an interview with Tim Converse, an engineering manager at Yahoo whose job is to "make search results more relevant." In other words, this guy is right there at the forefront of the algorithm Yahoo uses to rank web pages. So when he talks, it's worth listening.

The Yahoo Search blog just completed a 2-part interview/profile with Tim, which includes a couple nuggets I'll pull out for the newsletter.

First, "RCFP." In discussing how Yahoo separates the good pages from the spam, Tim shares this:

"...the challenge is identifying and appropriately ranking it all.

The big things for us are "relevance," "comprehensiveness," "freshness," and "presentation." That's "RCFP" and it's kind of our mantra. I'm much more focused on the "R" part of the relevance, although we have a whole group of scientists and modelers who are totally devoted to relevance too. My buddies in my group who work on crawling and indexing are focused on comprehensiveness and freshness as well."

So right there is a 4-part guide to what will rank well in Yahoo. It mirrors what we've talked about in this newsletter and on OWTweb.com in the past -- keep your web site updated regularly ("fresh") with quality ("comprehensive"), relevant content.

The second thing Tim discusses that I want to mention here offers more specifics about keeping a web page updated with fresh content. It's a question we discuss often with clients, many of whom ask if they can get away with just changing a picture or two, or maybe rewriting the first paragraph to make a page look "fresh." The answer? No.

"YQ: When you're looking for things that are changing on the page, what are you specifically talking about? I'm sure it's not enough to just change a hidden date stamp in a footer.

A: Yes, It's more than that. Most of the web is just static even without there being date stamps. We do have a more nuanced notion of what it means to change so we can detect a trivial change from a significant one. We can tell a major change from a trivial one."

The whole interview is worth a read, although it's not all blood-and-guts about Yahoo's ranking methods.

Part 1: Interview with Tim Converse

Part 2: Interview with Tim Converse

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In The News

Google's New Domains

While Google competes against Yahoo in search, and is going after Microsoft on the desktop, it looks like they may also have their sights set on a fight with Amazon.com in the shopping arena, too. On December 1st, Google registered three new domains:

googleshoppinglist.com
googlereviews.com
googlewishlist.com

You can imagine them adding wish list and review features right into their Froogle shopping search engine, which would make it a much more Amazon-like piece of the web.

Yahoo at Home (Google, too)

If you love Yahoo, here's one right up your alley: Yahoo-branded DVD players and home electronics. Yahoo is extending its brand into your home with a line of electronics that carries that Yahoo logo. If Google is more your style, they've been selling Google-branded products for a while now. But instead of home electronics, you'll have to settle for umbrellas, wristwatches, and even boxer shorts. How soon until Christmas?

Yahoo Licensed Products

Google Store

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More News Headlines

Here are a few news headlines worth your time to read. These are just some of the headlines we've posted to OWTweb.com in recent days.

Search marketing: Cart? Horse?
December 06, 2004 - Net Imperative

Conversion rates for both shopping carts and search marketing
December 03, 2004 - Internet Retailer

Is Google PageRank for real?
December 02, 2004 - Search Engine Guide

Industry watchers and professional search engine marketers have believed for quite some time that the PageRank displayed within the Google toolbar was not the most accurate representation of a site's link popularity.

More headlines: http://www.owtweb.com/news/

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This Week's Q&A

Hi Matt,

I know the "keywords" meta tag isn't very important anymore, but we still use it on our site to be safe. I'm wondering if it's okay to include the names of our competitors in our keywords meta tag. Chris

Hi Chris --

I'd recommend against doing this more so because of potential legal issues than because of search engine issues. There have been several meta tag trademark infringement lawsuits brought over the years, and you might be risking one, too. I'm no legal expert, but from what I understand the courts tend to examine the intent behind the use of another company's trademarked name in your meta tags. If the intent is to deceive or mislead web searchers, you could be in a lot of trouble.

On the other hand, if you have a page on your site devoted to comparing your red widgets to your competitions' red widgets, and you name your competitors on the page the public sees, it would make sense to include the company names in your meta tags for that page. My guess is that a use like that would be okay, but you should see an attorney who understands internet law to be sure.

(Have a question? Email questions@owtweb.com)

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Wrapping it Up

We're a day late on the newsletter this week thanks to me playing Mr. Mom Wednesday with a sick child. I'm going to try to stick to the regular publishing schedule, but with the holidays coming up (and the fact that the McGee kids get sick a lot in winter), we may be hit and miss for a while.

Thanks for reading,
Matt McGee

 

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