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Net Gains #44 - First Impressions of MSN Search

February 2, 2005

In This Issue:

1. First Impressions of MSN Search
2. In the News - A9 Yellow Pages, Google news
3. More News Headlines
4. This Week's Q&A - Google Sandbox
5. Wrapping It Up

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First Impressions of MSN Search

It's live now, and out of "beta" mode. After years of talking about it, MSN has finally delivered its own search engine at <http://search.msn.com/>. So now we have three major, unique algorithmic search engines: Google, Yahoo, and MSN. (I don't count Ask.com as "major," though others would disagree.) We know a lot about Google (loves off-page factors like quality links) and Yahoo (weighs on-page factors more heavily), but what can we say about MSN Search in its infancy?

The Good

MSN's crawler seems to be very quick and have a good appetite for adding new pages. The index of pages is relatively fresh, and as Google does, MSN crawls frequently-updated pages more often. The SERPs themselves are not great, but not terrible -- somewhere between fair and good for the little bit of early testing I've done.

The Bad

From what I'm reading on webmaster forums, the feeling is that MSN relies very heavily on inbound links (like Google), but unlike Google it doesn't assign different weights to each link based on the quality of the site providing the link. I'd expect that to change because sheer quantity of links should never be a large factor in deciding who ranks well and who doesn't; it needs to be a mix of quantity and quality of inbound links.

Also needing improvement is the filtering on multiple pages from one site. And even though I listed the quality of SERPs above in the "Good" section, here's contradictory evidence:

http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=search+engine&srch_type=0&FORM=QBRE

Do a search for the phrase "search engine", and you won't find Google, Yahoo, or MSN in the Top 10 listings.

The Interesting

MSN Search includes an interesting "answer" service that other search engines have also played with and still do play with. Ask MSN Search "who are the rolling stones", and look right below the sponsored ads: you'll see two orange arrows, and then an answer to your question pulled from MSN's Encarta encyclopedia. Also interesting is news that Microsoft is planning its biggest worldwide advertising campaign for MSN Search since the introduction of the MSN butterfly. You'll see MSN Search ads on TV, billboards, in newspapers, and across the web.

We'll keep testing MSN Search, and hope you will, too. And as I mentioned last week, keep on eye on your site traffic to see what impact this has on where and how people find you. A big part of search engine marketing is knowing where your customers are coming from when they find you.

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In The News

A9.com Adds Photo Yellow Pages

This is one of the more amazing things I've seen in a search engine. Amazon's A9.com search engine has added a yellow pages to handle local search results, but it's not your grandfather's yellow pages. When you use A9's Yellow Pages, you also get photographs of the business, when available, next to the listing. Even if you've never used A9.com, it's worth using your Amazon account to login. Then you'll see the small Yellow Pages icon -- click that and do a search for "Starbucks", then change your location to "Seattle." Right there with your results are images of most storefronts. And even better, when you click the image, the next page includes an option to take a virtual walk down the street that business is on. They did this by using trucks equipped with digital cameras and GPS receivers. The "how we did it" page is worth a look, too.

A9.com Yellow Pages: How We Did It

Two Google News Bits

First, you may know, or may remember us mentioning in the past that Google has a 100k limit when crawling a web page. If you have an ultra-long page, Google's spider would only crawl and index the first 100k of content. That's not the case anymore -- it appears Google is now crawling full web pages and documents, no matter how large they are.

And second, in the continuing guessing game of "what will Google do next?", there's news that Google was recently named a fully-accredited domain registrar. Speculation is that they could use this with their Blogger platform, and/or with future web hosting services.

IANA registrar list (scroll down to #895)

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More News Headlines

Here are a few news headlines worth your time to read. These are just some of the headlines we've posted to OWTweb.com in recent days.

Interactive marketing: Design matters
January 31, 2005 - ClickZ.com

Smart design solves problems. Weak design frustrates people. It's not just aesthetics. Industrial design and user interfaces play an increasingly important role.

Black-hat myths about white-hat SEO
January 31, 2005 - ClickZ.com

Apple edges Google as top brand
January 30, 2005 - Reuters

More headlines: http://www.owtweb.com/news/

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This Week's Q&A

Hi Matt,

What's this I've heard about a "sandbox" at Google? It's something to do with new sites not being listed in Google's search engine, but I don't understand why they'd do that (if they actually are).

Jill

Hi Jill --

The "Google Sandbox" term has been going around for a while, and you're not alone -- a lot of folks, me included, don't understand exactly what's going on. For those who don't know, it appears that new pages, or new sites, are unable to rank well in Google's SERPs. Others say it's not the sites and pages being sandboxed, but the inbound links -- that Google isn't giving credit for new links as a way to prevent link-spamming from boosting pages higher in the SERPs.

Here's the problem: for every page that appears to be sandboxed, there's another similar page that's not. And for every theory I've read about the sandbox, there's another that disproves it. In the end, there's clearly something in place now -- and for about the past year -- that makes it much more difficult for some sites and pages to rank well in Google. It seems to have the most impact on new pages or sites, but it can also impact older pages and sites. The thing is that it appears Google is more interested in fighting spammers than they are in having the freshest and most relevant SERPs. Keeping spammy sites out does not guarantee relevant SERPs. And people are noticing that Google's SERPs are not as fresh and relevant as they used to be.

The best advice I can give you, especially now that we have three major search engines, is to not focus all your efforts on building a site that Google likes. As we reported in recent newsletters, Google's lead is slipping, and I only see that continuing.

(Have a question? Email questions@owtweb.com)

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Wrapping it Up

This is pretty funny -- a web site called "Fark" is hosting a Google Photoshop contest. Funny twists on what Google is and does!

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1322360

Thanks for reading,
Matt McGee

 

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